Claim
The episode repeatedly describes the actors and their research infrastructure as being located in China, especially Chengdu; this is not a claim that China itself was the victim target.
“we found these multiple companies. One of the simplest ways we actually found it, funnily enough — and this sounds so basic — is that we would look at devices that would be continually going up and down firmware versions. These threat actor devices would constantly put the new, latest firmware on, roll it back, new firmware, roll it back. They’d do this, I don’t know, maybe five or six times a day. Whereas normal firewall operation, it’s like, it’s a new firmware and it’s left. Then in a month it gets new firmware and then it’s left. So, these things just stood out like a sore thumb. So, some of it came really easy to find these threat actors. The more telemetry we had the easier it got. We started to really build a wide assortment of threat actors in China”
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